you again missed the entire point. Your claim was that it was LONG covid, that means we would see it high EVEN WHEN THERE WERE NO HIGH ACTIVE INFECTIONS and RISING since more people would have been infected over time. we in fact did not see a steady increase until much much much later
you again missed the entire point. Your claim was that it was LONG covid, that means we would see it high EVEN WHEN THERE WERE NO HIGH ACTIVE INFECTIONS and RISING since more people would have been infected over time. we in fact did not see a steady increase until much much much later
I never mentioned long covid at all, nor implied anywhere that it's involved.
My argument is solely this: the excess deaths are very well correlated with and readily explained by acute C19 infections.
If it were the vaccine causing the above-average excess deaths, then we would see such deaths occurring independent of acute C19 infection numbers. But we do not.
To expand on that: if it were the vaccine causing them, we would expect to see excess deaths exceed the historical average by more than they had due to the virus alone, before the vaccines. And, in particular, we would expect that effect to be most pronounced April-July '21, when the majority of vaccinations occurred. Instead, we see excess deaths were actually entirely consistent at the historical average during that period, and only rose above the average again in late July, precisely when infections also rose at the start of the Delta wave.
sflr, I missed this before. From what I've seen there is sufficient reason to suspect there is non-trivial incidence of negative outcomes from the mRNA vaccines. What I've seen hasn't been sufficient to convince me that they're worse than the no-vaccines counterfactual. (Versus vector vaccines might be different story, though.)
There are absolutely intense forces trying to snuff any questioning of the safety. Sadly, the anti-scientific Believe Science! partisans and the extreme, hyperbolic theories on the opposite extreme (e.g., this post with "the C19 gene modification injection") are making nearly impossible for the more measured, reasoned inquiry to get traction.
I completely concur that it would be worthwhile and possibly very revealing to see this analysis repeated with the data from Dec 21-April 22. Likewise, I wish the OP had published their data sets & code. That would have gone a long way to boost credibility and facilitate further investigation.
Kotbeutel, the person who started this sub-thread of comment was the one that suggested it's long term effects of COVID that is killing people by circulatory diseases.
Your statement that the excess deaths correlate exactly with COVID infection trend, ignored the fact that this article mentioned several times, namely, that during the first half of 2021, the anomalous rise in all cause deaths already began, "but was obscured by lower than normal deaths of 85+yo’s due to culling from C19 in spring 2020". That fact is much more consistent with the vaccine being responsible.
Plus your hypothesis would then need to answer why COVID in 2021 causes, in the acute phase, mainly circulatory deaths rather than respiratory deaths.
The fact that these death statistic is provided by the govt WITHOUT VACCINATION STATUS INFO is enough to suggest there's definitely something to hide!
Remember, officially we're in the last phase of clinical trial of the "vaccines", with the whole population being test subjects. So why is the crucial information about vax status not recorded or published along with mortality and morbidity data? It's criminal.
you again missed the entire point. Your claim was that it was LONG covid, that means we would see it high EVEN WHEN THERE WERE NO HIGH ACTIVE INFECTIONS and RISING since more people would have been infected over time. we in fact did not see a steady increase until much much much later
I never mentioned long covid at all, nor implied anywhere that it's involved.
My argument is solely this: the excess deaths are very well correlated with and readily explained by acute C19 infections.
If it were the vaccine causing the above-average excess deaths, then we would see such deaths occurring independent of acute C19 infection numbers. But we do not.
To expand on that: if it were the vaccine causing them, we would expect to see excess deaths exceed the historical average by more than they had due to the virus alone, before the vaccines. And, in particular, we would expect that effect to be most pronounced April-July '21, when the majority of vaccinations occurred. Instead, we see excess deaths were actually entirely consistent at the historical average during that period, and only rose above the average again in late July, precisely when infections also rose at the start of the Delta wave.
sflr, I missed this before. From what I've seen there is sufficient reason to suspect there is non-trivial incidence of negative outcomes from the mRNA vaccines. What I've seen hasn't been sufficient to convince me that they're worse than the no-vaccines counterfactual. (Versus vector vaccines might be different story, though.)
There are absolutely intense forces trying to snuff any questioning of the safety. Sadly, the anti-scientific Believe Science! partisans and the extreme, hyperbolic theories on the opposite extreme (e.g., this post with "the C19 gene modification injection") are making nearly impossible for the more measured, reasoned inquiry to get traction.
I completely concur that it would be worthwhile and possibly very revealing to see this analysis repeated with the data from Dec 21-April 22. Likewise, I wish the OP had published their data sets & code. That would have gone a long way to boost credibility and facilitate further investigation.
Kotbeutel, the person who started this sub-thread of comment was the one that suggested it's long term effects of COVID that is killing people by circulatory diseases.
Your statement that the excess deaths correlate exactly with COVID infection trend, ignored the fact that this article mentioned several times, namely, that during the first half of 2021, the anomalous rise in all cause deaths already began, "but was obscured by lower than normal deaths of 85+yo’s due to culling from C19 in spring 2020". That fact is much more consistent with the vaccine being responsible.
Plus your hypothesis would then need to answer why COVID in 2021 causes, in the acute phase, mainly circulatory deaths rather than respiratory deaths.
The fact that these death statistic is provided by the govt WITHOUT VACCINATION STATUS INFO is enough to suggest there's definitely something to hide!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpuRcmPnSTM
So that's your announcing that you're a troll, a jerk, or both.
Remember, officially we're in the last phase of clinical trial of the "vaccines", with the whole population being test subjects. So why is the crucial information about vax status not recorded or published along with mortality and morbidity data? It's criminal.