Brilliant, clear, concise, readable, and understandable. We are all waiting for RFKjr, who has shockingly NOT ended the State of Emergency, and thus the Jurisdiction of the PRep act. What in the world is he waiting for? Every day is another murder.
Interesting and informative. Obviously punitive damages must not be capped. On a related subject. How can Congress give liability exemption to drug makers? Is there any other product in existence that is unavoidably harmful but is claimed does good? How can such a law exist? It means it is OK to kill people, lawfully, for the public good. That cannot be right. Even in war time, it is the enemy that kills your people. Not you.
Well said John. The COVID crime has this former liberty conservative quite cynical about unregulated capitalism. The "we did not mandate the shots" argument is hollow. Making a poison available as a therapeutic is itself abusive.
Americans are taught that capitalism and socialism are implemented in nations.
This is not true. Every nation has a mixed economy. There are capitalistic aspects and socialistic aspects. In China and in USA.
The conversations should not be about two words, but rather about the social and moral culture of a society that flows from governance and body of law. Property rights.
Capitalism unrestrained is as evil as socialism unrestrained.
Over 25 years ago, I received a letter from a friend. He was living overseas as a missionary in Mongolia. In the letter, he said something to the effect that capitalism was as bad as communism. I had only recently (about 3-4 years before) become politically aware and active, particularly concerned about communism, the U. N., liberty, the Constitution, etc., and I wrote back expressing my dismay at what he had said.
Since then, I have heard other challenges to the “capitalism is good” assumption, but tracking down the reason people would say that hasn’t been easy. I pretty much have just avoided using the word for years since what it actually means is not clear to me. Some use it in a positive way (almost like a synonym for “free market”), while others use it negatively (dog eat dog, step on anyone to make money).
I never heard back from my friend. When this subject comes up, I think of him. I have tried to locate him. I would like to let him know that I understand better what he might have been trying to say and I would be interested in hearing about his reasons for what he wrote.
We have fascist elements now too, with the power of the corrupt corporate/government/media alliance and our tyrannical intelligence community. And essentially, we have been taken over by a foreign power - Israel. It has difficult to ferret out a political philosophy with such interference.
I find it extremely troubling that some people will bring Israel into any and every conversation in order to lambast her, yet these same people will never say a word about the terrorists surrounding Israel, trying to wipe her off the map.
They’re programmed to believe that they now know that Israel controls the USA. Like always, there are many truths embedded in the mind control. I avoid the topic generally because they’ll just yell back at you that you’re programmed and then start listing everyone with a Jewish surname in powerful positions.
Whatever Operatives of Israel have done, they did it based on the weakness of other individuals. I assume all other nations are always trying to corrupt our DC pols and staff. We should not focus on the success of other nations in twisting the fidelity of our representatives, but rather we should focus on and prosecute our representatives for being put in such positions. It is their weak character and their flaws that enable such twisting of loyalty. Start with Swalwell and his Chinese spy honeypot. Prosecute him. Until we have a stomach for such prosecutions, China, Russia, Israel will all penetrate our government for their will, not ours. And media will program us to take sides hard against or for Israel or China. They will keep us divided along many issues.
I thought it was outrageous at the time that a company should have to pay out so much because a woman spilled coffee on herself. Your explanation has just made me rethink my conclusion.
I don’t recall ever seeing in the stories about it that McDonalds served their coffee at a much higher temperature than other places.
The media played it as if the woman was clumsy, I suppose they didn’t want to risk losing advertising dollars.
How do you change bad behavior at the corporate level? What does it take to hold entities accountable?
Tort reform urgently needs an overhaul—to eliminate inequitable (laudacrist!) caps and ensure punitive damages reflect a company’s revenue and profits. Only then will we see real accountability and meaningful deterrents.
The PREP Act’s liability shield, which enables unsafe products by removing accountability, must be repealed. Without consequences, there is No incentive for safety.
Punitive damages are supposed to Punish..they are supposed to be a deterrent to misconduct, both the Liebeck v. McDonald’s and Adams v. Mass General Brigham expose the deep flaws in tort reform. Intended purpose—deterrence through meaningful financial consequence.
MGB corporate revenue= $ 20.6 Billion. Laughably inadequate caps—like the $300,000 limit per plaintiff in the Adams case is Not justice, It’s absurd to think this amount would change MBG's abhorrent behavior.
The Pro Se 5’s courageous fight as self-represented plaintiffs against discrimination should be inspiring. If ever there was a case to SUPPORT it is this one. Their stand has the potential to reshape how corporations are held accountable, especially in the context of health freedoms and public mandates.
I suspect arbitration is another cost control maneuver by corporatocracy to castrate the little guy. Not much energy left in the bewildered herd to fight the big man after skewering each other with divisive politics offered by team red vs team blue distractions. Wow….a paranoid mind would almost suspect this could be planned.
If we were unable to protect ourselves from the simple algorithm that is a corporation before AI its only going to get worse from here. I think the Amish had the right idea. Though I couldn't live without GPS.
I don’t know if it was you who posted something about the McDonald’s coffee recently (within the past couple months), or if it was someone else. Whoever it was gave a link to the actual story of what happened, which was the first time I looked into it and read what happened from a source other than the media portrayal of a dumb lady who ordered hot coffee, and then got mad and sued when she got hot coffee and spilled it on herself.
Oh… I remember. For some reason it came up with my son recently. I was joking about it and he told me I should read about what actually happened because it wasn’t what was generally thought.
The lady was burned so badly she was hospitalized, needed skin grafts, and required medical care for two years due to her injuries.
She asked McDonald’s for only $20,000 to cover medical expenses. They refused and offered her $800. Thus ensued the court case that resulted in the outcomes explained here.
Shameful. And McDonald’s still refused to lower the temperature of their coffee to a safer temperature. Edit: Apparently at some point they did reduce the temperature of their coffee by 10 degrees.
Yup. And other aspects not generally known. Like not ever receiving the $2.8M but rather the judge lowering it to $480K and then a negotiated settlement unknown. Must’ve been much less despite pundits saying it was likely close to $480K. She was really old and the appeal would’ve take years before she got the money otherwise. They even went into clothing material and the time it takes for burns to set on at various temperatures. By memory, from the case, at 160°F, you have about 20 secs to pull your clothing material away from your skin. At 190°F, you have about 4 secs or 2 secs. I can’t remember exactly, but the difference to mitigate is huge. Plus the 700 other victims of burns.
I’m glad you brought this up. Because of it, I discovered the Hot Coffee documentary and watched/listened to it twice since this post. I also sent it to three others so far. What happened is truly horrific and I am having to rethink some of my previous positions. Whenever I see a “personal injury lawyer” ad, I kind of roll my eyes and shake my head scornfully. I am certain there ARE frivolous lawsuits, but I now have a better understanding of the necessity of some (honest) personal injury lawyers and how the numbers in some of these situations are arrived at and why. The documentary is well worth watching. I found it free on YouTube. “Hot Coffee.” It also covers three other situations and explains several legal terms that people don’t understand very well. It is an excellent documentary.
Unfortunately, most personal injury lawyers will settle for low money for the client based on hours versus return on that investment. I can tell stories, but not in a FB message box.
You’re welcome. I can’t believe I believed the media portrayal for so many years. The documentary shows the lady’s burns (somewhat obscured for modesty). Truly unbelievable. She wasn’t driving, as everyone thought. A young relative (nephew? grandson?) was driving. After going through the drive-through, he had pulled into a parking space so they could get arranged for eating on the road.
Thank you, @timothywiney, for sharing this very informative article illustrating ChatGPT's interesting examination of the 1992 McDonald’s hot coffee case and how it paralleled with the 2020 Covid-19 Vaccine Warp Speed propagandized censorship agenda.
Brilliant, clear, concise, readable, and understandable. We are all waiting for RFKjr, who has shockingly NOT ended the State of Emergency, and thus the Jurisdiction of the PRep act. What in the world is he waiting for? Every day is another murder.
Interesting and informative. Obviously punitive damages must not be capped. On a related subject. How can Congress give liability exemption to drug makers? Is there any other product in existence that is unavoidably harmful but is claimed does good? How can such a law exist? It means it is OK to kill people, lawfully, for the public good. That cannot be right. Even in war time, it is the enemy that kills your people. Not you.
Well said John. The COVID crime has this former liberty conservative quite cynical about unregulated capitalism. The "we did not mandate the shots" argument is hollow. Making a poison available as a therapeutic is itself abusive.
Americans are taught that capitalism and socialism are implemented in nations.
This is not true. Every nation has a mixed economy. There are capitalistic aspects and socialistic aspects. In China and in USA.
The conversations should not be about two words, but rather about the social and moral culture of a society that flows from governance and body of law. Property rights.
Capitalism unrestrained is as evil as socialism unrestrained.
Over 25 years ago, I received a letter from a friend. He was living overseas as a missionary in Mongolia. In the letter, he said something to the effect that capitalism was as bad as communism. I had only recently (about 3-4 years before) become politically aware and active, particularly concerned about communism, the U. N., liberty, the Constitution, etc., and I wrote back expressing my dismay at what he had said.
Since then, I have heard other challenges to the “capitalism is good” assumption, but tracking down the reason people would say that hasn’t been easy. I pretty much have just avoided using the word for years since what it actually means is not clear to me. Some use it in a positive way (almost like a synonym for “free market”), while others use it negatively (dog eat dog, step on anyone to make money).
I never heard back from my friend. When this subject comes up, I think of him. I have tried to locate him. I would like to let him know that I understand better what he might have been trying to say and I would be interested in hearing about his reasons for what he wrote.
We have fascist elements now too, with the power of the corrupt corporate/government/media alliance and our tyrannical intelligence community. And essentially, we have been taken over by a foreign power - Israel. It has difficult to ferret out a political philosophy with such interference.
I find it extremely troubling that some people will bring Israel into any and every conversation in order to lambast her, yet these same people will never say a word about the terrorists surrounding Israel, trying to wipe her off the map.
They’re programmed to believe that they now know that Israel controls the USA. Like always, there are many truths embedded in the mind control. I avoid the topic generally because they’ll just yell back at you that you’re programmed and then start listing everyone with a Jewish surname in powerful positions.
Whatever Operatives of Israel have done, they did it based on the weakness of other individuals. I assume all other nations are always trying to corrupt our DC pols and staff. We should not focus on the success of other nations in twisting the fidelity of our representatives, but rather we should focus on and prosecute our representatives for being put in such positions. It is their weak character and their flaws that enable such twisting of loyalty. Start with Swalwell and his Chinese spy honeypot. Prosecute him. Until we have a stomach for such prosecutions, China, Russia, Israel will all penetrate our government for their will, not ours. And media will program us to take sides hard against or for Israel or China. They will keep us divided along many issues.
Indeed. Political philosophy is not far from engineering.
I thought it was outrageous at the time that a company should have to pay out so much because a woman spilled coffee on herself. Your explanation has just made me rethink my conclusion.
I don’t recall ever seeing in the stories about it that McDonalds served their coffee at a much higher temperature than other places.
The media played it as if the woman was clumsy, I suppose they didn’t want to risk losing advertising dollars.
Have a great and blessed day!
Yes hard to imagine corporate controlled media! I recall at the time believing the greatly reduced award received very little publicity.
Well done as always.
How do you change bad behavior at the corporate level? What does it take to hold entities accountable?
Tort reform urgently needs an overhaul—to eliminate inequitable (laudacrist!) caps and ensure punitive damages reflect a company’s revenue and profits. Only then will we see real accountability and meaningful deterrents.
The PREP Act’s liability shield, which enables unsafe products by removing accountability, must be repealed. Without consequences, there is No incentive for safety.
Punitive damages are supposed to Punish..they are supposed to be a deterrent to misconduct, both the Liebeck v. McDonald’s and Adams v. Mass General Brigham expose the deep flaws in tort reform. Intended purpose—deterrence through meaningful financial consequence.
MGB corporate revenue= $ 20.6 Billion. Laughably inadequate caps—like the $300,000 limit per plaintiff in the Adams case is Not justice, It’s absurd to think this amount would change MBG's abhorrent behavior.
The Pro Se 5’s courageous fight as self-represented plaintiffs against discrimination should be inspiring. If ever there was a case to SUPPORT it is this one. Their stand has the potential to reshape how corporations are held accountable, especially in the context of health freedoms and public mandates.
I suspect arbitration is another cost control maneuver by corporatocracy to castrate the little guy. Not much energy left in the bewildered herd to fight the big man after skewering each other with divisive politics offered by team red vs team blue distractions. Wow….a paranoid mind would almost suspect this could be planned.
If we were unable to protect ourselves from the simple algorithm that is a corporation before AI its only going to get worse from here. I think the Amish had the right idea. Though I couldn't live without GPS.
I could - take out your sextant, study spherical geometry, get charts and maps, get a box chronometer - reliable, elegant, no electronics needed.
"spherical geometry"?
Per the Eagles' ol' "Take It Easy" timeless song plays...
"Don't let your 'spinning wheels' drive you crazy"
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Spinning Spherical Orbiting Globe Earth (S.S.O.G.E.)
vs.
Stationary Affirmed Flat Earth (S.A.F.E.)
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Same with all things true (a.k.a. TRUTH)...
Once you go Truth, you never fall for Lies.
Once you know viruses are fraud, you now know vaccines are a fraud too.
Once you go Flat, you never Globe back.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaBw37-nWaY
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I don’t know if it was you who posted something about the McDonald’s coffee recently (within the past couple months), or if it was someone else. Whoever it was gave a link to the actual story of what happened, which was the first time I looked into it and read what happened from a source other than the media portrayal of a dumb lady who ordered hot coffee, and then got mad and sued when she got hot coffee and spilled it on herself.
Oh… I remember. For some reason it came up with my son recently. I was joking about it and he told me I should read about what actually happened because it wasn’t what was generally thought.
The lady was burned so badly she was hospitalized, needed skin grafts, and required medical care for two years due to her injuries.
She asked McDonald’s for only $20,000 to cover medical expenses. They refused and offered her $800. Thus ensued the court case that resulted in the outcomes explained here.
Shameful. And McDonald’s still refused to lower the temperature of their coffee to a safer temperature. Edit: Apparently at some point they did reduce the temperature of their coffee by 10 degrees.
Yup. And other aspects not generally known. Like not ever receiving the $2.8M but rather the judge lowering it to $480K and then a negotiated settlement unknown. Must’ve been much less despite pundits saying it was likely close to $480K. She was really old and the appeal would’ve take years before she got the money otherwise. They even went into clothing material and the time it takes for burns to set on at various temperatures. By memory, from the case, at 160°F, you have about 20 secs to pull your clothing material away from your skin. At 190°F, you have about 4 secs or 2 secs. I can’t remember exactly, but the difference to mitigate is huge. Plus the 700 other victims of burns.
I’m glad you brought this up. Because of it, I discovered the Hot Coffee documentary and watched/listened to it twice since this post. I also sent it to three others so far. What happened is truly horrific and I am having to rethink some of my previous positions. Whenever I see a “personal injury lawyer” ad, I kind of roll my eyes and shake my head scornfully. I am certain there ARE frivolous lawsuits, but I now have a better understanding of the necessity of some (honest) personal injury lawyers and how the numbers in some of these situations are arrived at and why. The documentary is well worth watching. I found it free on YouTube. “Hot Coffee.” It also covers three other situations and explains several legal terms that people don’t understand very well. It is an excellent documentary.
Unfortunately, most personal injury lawyers will settle for low money for the client based on hours versus return on that investment. I can tell stories, but not in a FB message box.
Hot Coffee documentary covering Stella’s ordeal:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=psebm9RJDvU&pp=ygUXSG90IGNvZmZlZSBkb2N1bWVudGFyeSDSBwkJfgkBhyohjO8%3D
Thank you, @thelilacdragonfly, for sharing the 1992 McDonald’s hot coffee documentary.
You’re welcome. I can’t believe I believed the media portrayal for so many years. The documentary shows the lady’s burns (somewhat obscured for modesty). Truly unbelievable. She wasn’t driving, as everyone thought. A young relative (nephew? grandson?) was driving. After going through the drive-through, he had pulled into a parking space so they could get arranged for eating on the road.
Everyone should watch the documentary.
https://timothywiney.substack.com/p/get-a-free-coffee-with-each-booster
Thank you, @timothywiney, for sharing this very informative article illustrating ChatGPT's interesting examination of the 1992 McDonald’s hot coffee case and how it paralleled with the 2020 Covid-19 Vaccine Warp Speed propagandized censorship agenda.